For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org Email us at [email protected] ARI SHAPIRO, HOST: Jimmy Carter's four years in the ...

SHAPIRO: So you arrived in Wiesbaden, in what was then West Germany, and Jimmy Carter, newly a former president, was there to meet you. What do you remember about that first meeting? ROSEN ...